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  1. If you get a rental car, be sure to pay for full insurance coverage
     so that a wreck won't affect your regular insurance.

  2. Driving in a New England snow is far harder than the inch or so we
     get here.  I recommend against it.  If you must, practice in an empty
     parking lot and decide if you still want to do it.  If it's a heavy
     snow, wait at least 3-6 hours for the snow trucks to plow and sand
     the roads.  Plan on going about 2/3 to 1/2 of normal speed, if that.

  3. No, the rental car companies do not supply chains and probably supply
     the cheapest tires available.

  4. If it is a severe snow, you are better off taking a taxi to the
     bus or train station and using those to get near your people in
     Conn. and a taxi from the bus or train station to them.  It is
     well-worth the extra cost to avoid a wreck and possibly hurting
     yourself or others.  In bad snows I preferred a $50 taxi ride
     to my clients rather than a wreck.

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On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 04:20:03PM -0500, tfreeman at intel.digichem.net wrote:
&gt; On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Brian J. Dowd wrote:

&gt; &gt; This ex-Bostonian says:
&gt; &gt; New Englanders have inherent advantages:
&gt; &gt; snowtires (or studs or chains)
&gt; &gt; [on their tires not on their bodies...]
&gt; &gt; and well sanded roads.
&gt; &gt; Otherwise &quot;equal abilities&quot;.
&gt; &gt; -Brian

&gt; Point taken, although I don't think it fully explains the situation. FWIW, 
&gt; in six years of winter driving in NE, and another in Ohio, I have yet to 
&gt; purchase snow tires, or studs. A friend of mine gave me chains once, but I 
&gt; lost them the first time I used them.

&gt; As to well sanded/salted roads, the roads aren't generally prepared ahead 
&gt; of the snow, yet you don't see as much craziness at the beginning of a 
&gt; snow in the NE as you do in this region.



&gt; &gt; &gt;On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Geoffrey wrote:



&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;Jason Fritcher wrote:


&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;Dow Hurst wrote:



&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Jason,
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Welcome to the ALE group!


&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;Thanks! :)


&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;&lt;snip linux and reasonable stuff&gt;&gt;


&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;Yeah, wait till the first snow and you see on these idiots on the road. 
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;    I've never understood that since probably 50% of Atlanta consists of 
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;relocated Yankees, like myself.




&gt; &gt; &gt;I've kinda noticed that myself - although I'm up in Charlotte. &quot;Up here&quot; 
&gt; &gt; &gt;(where the heck is &quot;Up&quot; anyway?), I think we have similar rates of bumper 
&gt; &gt; &gt;cars during a good rain as Boston has for the first snow, based upon 
&gt; &gt; &gt;living in New England twenty odd years ago. During a snow storm, go over 
&gt; &gt; &gt;to a resturant on a busy corner, get something warm, and _watch_ the 
&gt; &gt; &gt;locals sliding through the intersection. Them as are walking, seem to fall 
&gt; &gt; &gt;down a lot. Great entertainment for the sadistically inclined...

&gt; &gt; &gt;As to reasons; I've got some guesses and no idea how to test them. I do 
&gt; &gt; &gt;think many times the Atlanta/Charlotte/southeastern snow fall is somewhat 
&gt; &gt; &gt;slipryer(sp?) than many northern locations because the ground is much 
&gt; &gt; &gt;closer to freezing, and the snow tends to be wetter. Also, low traction 
&gt; &gt; &gt;driving seems to need regular practice - once or twice every year or two 
&gt; &gt; &gt;just isn't sufficient practice. The arrogance of &quot;I come from the north 
&gt; &gt; &gt;and I understand snow driving&quot; plays a part of it also. And finally, I 
&gt; &gt; &gt;suspect most drivers are in too much of a hurry to stop and think, or even 
&gt; &gt; &gt;to leave space ahead to stop.

&gt; &gt; &gt;YMMV of course


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