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- <li><em>date</em>: Mon Mar 15 00:31:46 2004</li>
- <li><em>from</em>: runman at speedfactory.net (Greg)</li>
- <li><em>in-reply-to</em>: <<a href="msg00471.html">[email protected]</a>></li>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:ale-bounces";>mailto:ale-bounces</a> at ale.org]On Behalf Of Steve
> Nicholas
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 11:41 PM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: RE: [ale] "What's So Bad About Microsoft?"
>
>
> I have not had a problem with MS on my wife's PC. I keep it patched, a
> she's smart about attachments. Win 2K. That being said....
>
> What is the problem with MS ?
>
> In my case, both Linux and MS require constant patching.
I trust an OpenBSD/Debian patch more as I don't see any agendas to
continually seperate me from my money on their part. MS however is a
different story, and that is a reason to be wary of the MS patching.
However, that's what I expect from them ...
OK, that's a
> given. Linux has virtual desktops. I have to do upgrades on up to 20
> libraries. Each library requires at least two windows.....
> one for the upgrade and another to tail the results. No, I don't do all
> at the same time, but I've done 4 at a time. Do the math. Not a problem
> on my home pc. Plus, The memory management is a lot better.
>
> Try running THAT many windows under MS. Works for me under Linux. It can
> take up to 16 windows on 4 virtual desktops to do this. I've done this on
> a P233 w/64MB without a problem. Does not work under MS.
No, it doesn't and never will. I don't think MS ever figured out how to be
conservative with memory (seems to be a Unix trait) and that is why I
haven't bought any more MS products around here. I use Win2k (pretty
stable - actually the best of the bunch) and Windows 98 virgin (unpatched)
for games and I got my wife on a dual boot also. She runs Windows 98
unpatched and not networked for her games (updates screwed her system up
terribly - intentionally I suspect) and Debian for everything else. All of
the other servers - mail,dns,SAMBA, everything is a P233 or less. I guess I
do blame MS for this software/hardware arms race that only serves to fill
landfills with toxic pc components and drain the consumers wallets.
>
> Steve
>
> =======================================================
> | Steve Nicholas | |
> | Software Systems Engineer | A risk is not a risk |
> | Georgia State University | until it is taken. |
> | snicholas at gsu.edu | |
> | 404-651-1062 | BBROYGBVGW |
> =======================================================
>
>
> On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Greg wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ale-bounces at ale.org [<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:ale-bounces";>mailto:ale-bounces</a> at ale.org]On
> Behalf Of David
> > > Corbin
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 9:01 PM
> > > To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> > > Subject: Re: [ale] "What's So Bad About Microsoft?"
> > >
> > >
> > > "Their product is unsafe."
> >
> > No, their product doesn't take into account user error. There
> are plenty of
> > MS networks that are relatively safe just as there are plenty of Unix
> > networks that have been cracked to death. PC's are like guns - they are
> > inanimate objects until a person picks one up. With proper firewalls,
> > practices, and usage MS products are what you make of them. No
> more no less.
> >
> >
> > or "Their products only work when the
> > > moon is in
> > > proper alignemnt" (both points that any daily user will
> generally agree
> > > with).
> >
> > My Windows 2k box is up for weeks running 3-4 open browsers
> each with about
> > 8 different windows and lots of other crap. I keep it up
> because I can, and
> > I haven't had any more problems than I have had with a *nix box. But
> > overall I would say yes, they (MS) are less on the uptime then *nix.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sunday 14 March 2004 20:18, Jeff Hubbs wrote:
> > > > I need a short, succinct, answer to this question. "Twice-convicted
> > > > illegal monopolist"
> >
> > you can as it is the truth (IBM was also convicted of monopoly I think)
> >
> > is a phrase I'd plan on using, but I want to be able
> > > > to back even that up with the facts and I'd also like to
> remain factual
> > > > enough not to come off as a frothing-at-the-mouth zealot but general
> > > > enough to make it a good answer for non-techies or Microsoft-only
> > > > techies.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think?
> > > >
> >
> > Why waste time with zealots of any ilk ? Zealots turn off anyone to
> > anything, and you are *never* going to win them over or win an
> argument with
> > them. I am so tired of these "my os/blah blah blah is better then yours
> > arguments." I would rather spend my time learning more about what's out
> > there. <sigh>
> >
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > David Corbin <dcorbin at machturtle.com>
> > >
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