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----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Morris
Sent: 3/15/2004 6:20:42 PM
To: ale at ale.org
Subject: Re: [ale] GPL Question.

> Here is a code example of what I'm talking about...it's not removing th=
e=20
> copyright, just the DISPLAY of the copyright on rendered pages...notice=
=20
> right in the copyrigh notice, I can "redistribute it and/or modify it".=
=2E.
>=20
> <?php
> /**********************************************************************=
**/
> /* PHP-NUKE: Web Portal System                                         =
 */
> /* =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D                                          */
> /*                                                                     =
 */
> /* Copyright (c) 2002 by Francisco Burzi                               =
 */
&gt; /* <a  rel="nofollow" href="http://phpnuke.org";>http://phpnuke.org</a>                                                  =
 */
&gt; /*                                                                     =
 */
&gt; /* This program is free software. You can redistribute it and/or modify=
 */
&gt; /* it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by=
 */
&gt; /* the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License.      =
 */
&gt; /**********************************************************************=
**/
&gt;=20
&gt; --- Snip irrelevant stuff here ---
&gt;=20
&gt; ###############################################
&gt; # DO NOT REMOVE THE FOLLOWING COPYRIGHT LINE! #
&gt; # YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO REMOVE NOR EDIT THIS. #
&gt; ###############################################
&gt;=20
&gt; // IF YOU REALLY NEED TO REMOVE IT AND HAVE MY WRITTEN AUTHORIZATION=20
&gt; CHECK: <a  rel="nofollow" href="http://phpnuke.org/modules.php?name=3DCommercial_License";>http://phpnuke.org/modules.php?name=3DCommercial_License</a>
&gt; // PLAY FAIR AND SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT, PLEASE!
&gt;=20
&gt; echo &quot;&lt;META NAME=3D\&quot;GENERATOR\&quot; CONTENT=3D\&quot;PHP-Nuke $Version_Num -=20
&gt; Copyright 2003 by <a  rel="nofollow" href="http://phpnuke.org\&quot";>http://phpnuke.org\&quot</a>;&gt;\n&quot;;
&gt;=20
&gt; ?&gt;
&gt;=20
&gt; still not sure of the answer....
&gt;=20
&gt; Thanks,
&gt; Keith
&gt;=20
&gt; Jason Etheridge wrote:
&gt;=20
&gt; &gt;&gt; On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 04:25:53PM -0500, Keith Morris - IQ wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; But if I want to remove these sections, even though the code says I=
 must
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; ask for explicit permission from the author to remove this, doesn't=
 the
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; fact that it is being released under the GPL allow me to do whateve=
r I
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; want with this as long as I am not redistributing it?
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; The GPL does *not* allow you to do whatever you want.  It is quite
&gt; &gt;&gt; specific in what you can do.  Legally, the GPL is nothing more than =
a
&gt; &gt;&gt; license saying what you can do with their copyrighted software.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; One may use copyrighted material only in ways that the copyright hol=
der
&gt; &gt;&gt; allows.  Copying and altering are specifically forbidden unless the=20
&gt; &gt;&gt; holder
&gt; &gt;&gt; allows you to and then only on the holder's terms.  Removing a copyr=
ight
&gt; &gt;&gt; notice is illegal and could subject you to fines of $250,000 or more=
=2E
&gt; &gt;=20
&gt; &gt;=20
&gt; &gt; I've heard it said many times that the GPL does not place any=20
&gt; &gt; restrictions on Use, only on Redistribution (whether you call that a =
use=20
&gt; &gt; or not).  I can buy a copyrighted painting and draw on it with crayon=
 if=20
&gt; &gt; I want to.  However, with software off the internet things get iffy,=20
&gt; &gt; because technically you have to Copy it just to get it, and thus are=20
&gt; &gt; subject to copyright restrictions and license agreements right from t=
he=20
&gt; &gt; start.
&gt; &gt;=20
&gt; &gt; Now, if the developers of this software are using the GPL and are als=
o=20
&gt; &gt; trying to require additional restrictions that go against the GPL (an=
d I=20
&gt; &gt; don't know if this is the case or not), then basically the license is=
=20
&gt; &gt; invalidated, and Keith doesn't have a right to copy the software at a=
ll,=20
&gt; &gt; much less use it.
&gt; &gt;=20
&gt; &gt; Just my opinion.  IANAL, etc.
&gt; &gt;=20
&gt; &gt; -- Jason
&gt; &gt;=20
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