[ih] Hourglass model question

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many mourn the demise of TECO....

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On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:46 AM John Day <jeanjour at comcast.net> wrote:

> There was a technical part. I thought it was mostly technical.  There was
> a real attempt to come up with protocols to make resource sharing a lot
> more seamless beyond RJE and just logging in to another system as a
> timesharing user. Things to facilitate running a distributed program over
> more than one machine, etc.  There were probably 5 or 6 new protocols being
> proposed to develop.  I don?t remember what they were now, but could dig it
> out.
>
> The one I do remember from the first meeting was, that someone proposed
> that we needed a common editor. (Remember the ?my editor?s better than your
> editor! debates??), ;-)
>
> I remember thinking ?o, good grief given the debates we had over FTP, this
> is going to go forever!? Padlipsky piped up and said, ?The example PL/1
> program in the Multics Programmers Manual is a simple editor. Lets just use
> that.? The reaction was, 'sure why not' and the discussion was over in
> minutes. Total shock.  And within a few weeks there were NETEDs all over
> the ?Net.  (And I don?t think any of them were exactly the same.) ;-) They
> just couldn?t resist the temptation to ?improve? it.  ;-)
>
> Take care,
> John
>
>
>
> On Jul 5, 2019, at 23:59, Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks.  Key word lobbying.  I didn?t see anything technical.
>
> Steve
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:56 PM Dave Crocker <dhc at dcrocker.net> wrote:
>
>> On 7/5/2019 7:24 PM, Steve Crocker wrote:
>> > With apology, what was USING?
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:23 PM John Day <jeanjour at comcast.net
>> > <mailto:jeanjour at comcast.net>> wrote:
>> ...
>> >     If collaboration of people was one of the main goals, why was USING
>> >     turned off? That seemed to be a hot bed of collaboration with great
>> >     potential.
>>
>>
>> USING was the Users Interest Network Group.  I co-chaired it with Nancy
>> Neigus, and the 'sponsorship' of Craig Fields, then of Arpa:
>>
>>       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc585/
>>
>> It was yet-another very early and spontaneous effort, with an initial
>> task of figuring what it was for.
>>
>> The RFC summarized this as:
>>
>>     The group will devote itself to lobbying on behalf of user interests,
>>     to promoting and facilitating resource sharing, to improving user
>>     interfaces (support), and to studies of standardization.  The
>>     ultimate goal will be provide users identification of, and
>>     facilitated access to, whatever resources on the Network they might
>>     wish to use.
>>
>> I've seen various explanations of why we shut down, but my own
>> recollection is that we simply could not gain enough traction.  That is,
>> not a broad enough based of community interest.
>>
>> d/
>> --
>> Dave Crocker
>> Brandenburg InternetWorking
>> bbiw.net
>>
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