Verizon DSL moving to CGN

[rajiva at cisco.com (Rajiv Asati (rajiva))]

> I don't doubt that dual-stack home networks will be with us for a long
>time.
> What won't be with us for very long is routing IPv4 across service
>providers.
> It can't. It will become far too expensive to do so. The economics
>aren't going
> to work much past about 5 years, maybe 10 if we're really unlucky.

Of course. :)

Cheers,

Rajiv

-----Original Message-----
From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 12:01 AM
To: Rajiv Asati <rajiva at cisco.com>
Cc: Fabien Delmotte <fdelmotte1 at mac.com>, nanog list <nanog at nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN

>
>On Apr 8, 2013, at 20:23 , "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva at cisco.com>
>wrote:
>
>> I agree. Apple does it really well, no doubt about it. This is because
>> they control both the software and hardware.
>> 
>> Google/Android ?an not do it well enough, since the Android OS version
>> compatibility with the hardware is somewhat dictated by the hardware
>> manufacturer. This isn't always helpful. :-(
>> 
>
>But they can actually push pretty well if they had some killer app. that
>everyone
>used and could supply some update that nobody could live without on said
>killer app.
>
>Then you just need to flag said update as "requires Android version X" and
>poof... All the pressure you need to get everyone running droid up to X.
>(Including all the pressure needed to get consumers to push the device
>maker.)
>
>> 	For ex, there are numerous android apps that are not supported
>> 	on many android devices. :=(
>> 
>
>They must not be very important to the bulk of the android users.
>
>> Anyway, this is why I think that dual-stack home networks (and UEs) will
>> be with us for a long time.
>> 
>
>I don't doubt that dual-stack home networks will be with us for a long
>time.
>What won't be with us for very long is routing IPv4 across service
>providers.
>It can't. It will become far too expensive to do so. The economics aren't
>going
>to work much past about 5 years, maybe 10 if we're really unlucky.
>
>
>Owen
>
>> Cheers,
>> Rajiv
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
>> Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 8:52 PM
>> To: Rajiv Asati <rajiva at cisco.com>
>> Cc: Fabien Delmotte <fdelmotte1 at mac.com>, nanog list <nanog at nanog.org>
>> Subject: Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:54 , Rajiv Asati (rajiva) <rajiva at cisco.com>
>>>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Like you, I would like to be optimistic about many v4-only apps and
>>>> v4-only devices becoming dual-stack sooner than later.
>>>> 
>>>> But knowing that a significant (50%+) of android devices may not
>>>>support
>>>> IPv6 (just like my brand new Samsung Galaxy 7'' tablet (just bought
>>>>over
>>>> the weekend) being v4-only) and may not be upgraded by their users to
>>>> the
>>>> right software, and that Skype etc. apps are out there, my optimism
>>>> fades
>>>> away.
>>> 
>>> The upgrade problem isn't that hard to solve. As soon as users want to
>>>use
>>> something that doesn't work without the upgrade, the upgrades get
>>> installed.
>>> 
>>> Apple does a great job of this...
>>> 
>>> Every time they release an iOS upgrade I really don't want, they
>>>manage to
>>> also release an update to software that I do care about. That software
>>> update
>>> inherently requires me to accept the iOS upgrade.
>>> 
>>> Owen
>>> 
>