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Sysadmins do have alot of power and must exercise it with caution, don't
you think?
Dow
Mike Panetta wrote:
>I am not quite sure how it clouds the issue. The boss that he spyed on was an obvious
>thief. He was stealing the companies money by goofing off while being payed to do the
>job he was hired for. Its obvious to me that the higher ups would not have given the
>sysadmin permission to spy, because they were probably doing the same thing. The
>sysadmin was trying to save the company money (and thus the state assuming its
>a govt institution) which is the moral obligation of anyone working for a company.
>He should not have been fired, in fact there should have been an investigation into
>everyone in the company at that point to see where the dead wood was.
>
>I so no clouds here...
>
>Mike
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dow Hurst <Dow.Hurst at mindspring.com>
>Sent: Aug 1, 2004 10:33 AM
>To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
>Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Well it is going to hit the list sooner or later.
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>Excellent point using SAGE ethics. This is a situation where the
>obvious outrage at the guy getting fired clouds the issue. I'll keep
>the SAGE ethics in mind and get a CYA letter from someone higher up
>before pulling a stunt like that guy did. Sincerely,
>Dow
>
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>J.M. Taylor wrote:
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>>My interpretation of the SAGE code of ethics is the following: I do not
>>read people's emails, even tho it is within my power. I do not spy on
>>people, even tho it is within my power and in many cases may prove their
>>misdeeds. I do not collect data on people's misdeeds even tho these
>>people may be harming me on the job. I do not make these decisions. I
>>just run the server.
>>
>>If it is required of me that I do these things, I ask for a signed letter
>>
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>>from a higher-up, or the law enforcement agency or whatever, to prove that
>
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>>I was not acting on my own. It is never right for a systems administrator
>>to give in to his or her baser nature and use their technical knowlege to
>>further a complaint against a coworker, unless s/he has been asked to do
>>this by a superior for legally and ethically correct reasons.
>>
>>And yes, if my boss told me to gather data about someone that I knew was
>>goofing off all day but wouldn't give me the signed letter, I would refuse
>>to do it even if it meant my job. That's how strongly I feel about the
>>importance of my integrity in what I do. It's also just CYA -- when the
>>fit hits the shan and it's my word against my boss's about who ordered
>>collecting the data....no way am I going to get involved in that. I'm
>>not completely stupid.
>>
>>IMNSHO this guy isn't a saint or a martyr. He did something
>>unethical, and unethical acts are unethical regardless of the motivating
>>reasons. If you steal from your company and give the money to starving
>>people, it's still stealing. If all he did was send emails about the
>>boss, maybe he should've taken the time to actually go speak to someone
>>face-to-face. If he had gotten the go-ahead from a higher-up to do this,
>>then it would've been fine. It sucks that the boss didn't get fired, but
>>ALDOT was entirely correct in firing the admin.
>>
>>Jenn
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