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Mike Panetta wrote:
>The only problem with that I can see is your boss will never sign a letter saying that
>you can spy on him. So in effect this means its ok for higher ups to spy on and fire
>lower down people for slacking off (or doing whatever) and its not ok for lower down
>people to spy on and get higher up people fired for doing the same. This is illogical
>and can create a bad climate (one that already exists, how many people do you know
>would be willing to rat out someone important in their company for doing something
>harmful to said company?) where stagnation and immoral and unhealty acts can be
>done by higher ups (and are) and cannot be stopped or watched by anyone else.
>
>Who watches the watchers?
>
>Oh, and why is what he did unethical? Why is trying to save taxpayers (or
>in the case of a private company, shareholders) money by checking that
>someone is doing the job they are payed (and payed very highly
>in the case of CEO's and such) to do, and not wasting money by slacking
>off. Why is it unethical for someone lower down in the company to use
>the means he has at hands (his knowledge) to check up on someone,
>while its not unethical for someone higher up in the company to use the
>means he has (someone elses knowledge) to check up on someone?
>
>Basicly your saying its ok for the CEO's and other corperate bastards of
>the world to get rich by slacking off and telling us what to do, but its not
>ok for us to protect the company by turning them in when they waste the
>companys money by slacking off and doing no real work. I think your
>sense of ethics is a bit off.
>
>Mike
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "J.M. Taylor" <jtaylor at onlinea.com>
>Sent: Aug 1, 2004 10:24 AM
>To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
>Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Well it is going to hit the list sooner or later.
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>My interpretation of the SAGE code of ethics is the following: I do not
>read people's emails, even tho it is within my power. I do not spy on
>people, even tho it is within my power and in many cases may prove their
>misdeeds. I do not collect data on people's misdeeds even tho these
>people may be harming me on the job. I do not make these decisions. I
>just run the server.
>
>If it is required of me that I do these things, I ask for a signed letter
>from a higher-up, or the law enforcement agency or whatever, to prove that
>I was not acting on my own. It is never right for a systems administrator
>to give in to his or her baser nature and use their technical knowlege to
>further a complaint against a coworker, unless s/he has been asked to do
>this by a superior for legally and ethically correct reasons.
>
>And yes, if my boss told me to gather data about someone that I knew was
>goofing off all day but wouldn't give me the signed letter, I would refuse
>to do it even if it meant my job. That's how strongly I feel about the
>importance of my integrity in what I do. It's also just CYA -- when the
>fit hits the shan and it's my word against my boss's about who ordered
>collecting the data....no way am I going to get involved in that. I'm
>not completely stupid.
>
>IMNSHO this guy isn't a saint or a martyr. He did something
>unethical, and unethical acts are unethical regardless of the motivating
>reasons. If you steal from your company and give the money to starving
>people, it's still stealing. If all he did was send emails about the
>boss, maybe he should've taken the time to actually go speak to someone
>face-to-face. If he had gotten the go-ahead from a higher-up to do this,
>then it would've been fine. It sucks that the boss didn't get fired, but
>ALDOT was entirely correct in firing the admin.
>
>Jenn
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